Ceramic Coating on Cylinders?

rollbar

Is there such a thing? How bout Stainless steel valves? Thanks, RollBar P.S. I'll explain later

jeepsr4ever

we have titanium coated 3 and 4 orientation spots on the cylinders only to find that the rings over wear and the advantage was minute. Stainless valves are very nice and a must when running alcohol or super fuel 105 octane and above

bricklin

Being in the biz I can tell you there is no coating I'm aware of to coat cylinders, Head combustion chambers, valve and pistons yes, but not for cylinders. The closest thing would be to find someone that has the eqiupment for nicosil. this is a nickle-silicon coating that is plasma coated to the cylider walls, it is used in high end 2 strokes.

jeepsr4ever

Yes I have seen that coating before. If their was a really good coating to use our guys in nascar are probly using it... I wonder who I can consult over there :-|

rollbar

Thanks. Reason being a friend of mine @ Church was down in Jamacia & met a guy who ran his car on water (H20). He got a FULL set of plans of which he gave me w/detailed info on how to convert your gas engine to h20. You would start out w/gas & switch to h20 in transit. Part of the plan is to coat the cyl to prevent rust etc. I'll have to do more research on it. Thanks, RollBar

jeepsr4ever

:-| do you mean water injection.

rollbar

Yes kind of. It converts your engine to burn Hydrogen & Oxygen Vapor from Water.......on demand. It's for carb or FI engines, & it doesn't loo to hard just need some mechanical background & some basic electrical skills to do it. He said that they were crusing about 60 -70mph. The guy put $1.75 worth of fuel in @ the gas pump & didn't refuel for two to three day's later. keep in mind the cost of gas over there id like 4 bucks a gal or more........HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

jeepsr4ever

The question is how much energy did it take to separate the oxygen and the hydrogen.... h20 doesnt burn

rollbar

On demand, U crank the gas pedal or throttle & U electrically create more vapor for immediate consumption, on demand; Lo-Hi Flow rate as needed from idle to max power. U use your house tap water. To amnswer your question, simple: Water is pumped as neededto replenish & maintain the luquid level in the chamber. The electrodes are vibrated w/ 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks 2(H2o)----2H2+O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60psi, you turn the key& go. U step on the pedal, U send more energy to the electrodes & thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand. electrical load = 10-20 amps, including the additional low current to run this vapor reaction. Signed the mad Scientist, RollBar

jeepsr4ever

I like your thinking Jim :t:

rollbar

Thanks MC, now I just have to fit it in w/my other projects :shock: or get some help 111!!! w/it. I know a guy /a machine shop that might be able to help, HUMMMMMMMMM. :mrgreen: :?

Mudrat

jeepsr4ever wrote
The question is how much energy did it take to separate the oxygen and the hydrogen.... h20 doesnt burn

Interesting concept.
On submarines we use electrolisis to seperate the H from the O2 in the area of 3KVA zapped into distilled water that has a small percentage of potassium (K) for conductivity. We keep the O2 to bleed back into the boat to breath, the explosive H element overboard.

Don't know how your going to seperate the H and O from water, 'cause we all know water don't burn.

Pat

rollbar

The H & O will be converted to steam as a by-product. RollBar P.S. I'll be making one big snorkle, :? :mrgreen: (get it, submarine)

Mudrat

rollbar wrote
The H & O will be converted to steam as a by-product.

RollBar

P.S. I'll be making one big snorkle, :? :mrgreen: (get it, submarine)

Guess I don't understand what the source of heat will be to make the steam if you're not burning fuel??? In order to burn "water" it needs to be broken down into the 2 components and then (control) burn the H. O2 is just a catalist that promotes combustion, it doesn't burn by its self. Guess I'll wait for the movie - or pix :idea:

Mudrat

rollbar

The sequal is still to come, :?

Al Johnson

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Well, I'm calling BS on the water for fuel concept. Oh, it sounds wonderful, who doesn't want free fuel?? But...

In order to burn the hydrogen, you need to separate it from the oxygen that it is bound up with to make water. In order to do that, you MUST put energy into the system. The exact same amount, in fact, that you will get from burning it.

Every system has losses and not one is 100% efficient. Because of this, you will NOT get free anything from this idea. It may chug along for a while, a short while, until the losses overcome the system, then it slows down and stops.

THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH!!

Perpetual motion machines (of which this is an example) simply will not, can not work. Period, end of story.

By the way, the oxygen in combustion reactions is not a catalyst. A catalyst is defined as a substance which accelerates or enables a reaction, without being changed by that reaction. The oxygen is an active participant, and becomes bound up chemically with the fuel during the combustion process.

Thanks for listening.

rollbar

Well AL, before you call BS on this post/subject I have some reasearch/REFERENCES for you, just a start. 1. Stephen Chambers "Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen &/or Parahydrogen" US Patent 6126794. 2. Stanley Meyer "Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas" US Patent 4936961 3. Creative Science & Research, "Fuel from Water". 4. Stephen Chambers "prototype Vapor FUEL Systems" 5. There's more but I don't have time to list them. I could go on w/others but there is no point, I have documentation & acutal plans to convert this to a usable fuel, plus as stated before it has been see in action. You will have a Reaction chamber; Control circuit; Throttle control; Control range; CHT or EGT monitor; H20 tank; Vapor-pressure fittings; Copper mesh junctions etc. etc. etc. Don't let the unknown or out of the norm ideas stear you in the wrong way, just because you think it won't work, it could & does. RollBar P.S. Oil Companies won't tell you it works. The history channel had a documentary on the subject four nights ago.

Al Johnson

Okay, that's fine. You're convinced, I'm not. We can live with that. I'm not trying to be nasty, I just have some basic physics I lean on. I'll look into the links, by the way. Al

jeepsr4ever

The exact same amount, in fact, that you will get from burning it.

This is the fundamental of physics and hasnever been broken...however the amount of energy it take to seperate the h from the o maybe 100% and the energy taken out maybe 100% but the advantage might be in the price of the catalyst. Fuel is a tricky business and it always boils down to cost over efficiency. Energy transferral and friction come into play as well. I am curious to the nature of the fuel consumption of such an engine :-|

pyagid

BMW has been making a motor for a few years now, that is a Hydrogen car, and the by product that comes out of the car is water. They have been calling this a car that runs on water to try and get a market for it. People are afraid of Hydrogen, which icould be a very dangerous gas. But in liquid form it is very stable.

Here is a link to the BMW information
http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/fascination/technology/technologyguide/contentpages/pdf/bmw_hydrogen_engines_2_en.pdf

-Paul