bigun
Try this link you can also go to KOAs and if you look you can find most towns have a local propane dealer that can fill you up
http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/gasoline_CF.cfm?state=ALL
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OzJeeper
All very interesting. Seems you guys are going the opposite to what I have, that is, dual fuel. Running LPG on an injected motor is by far the best result because you have dual tuning and the computer quickly works out the best running curve for it.
You still need to run the vehicle on petrol (one tank petrol for every 4 of LPG) so the injectors don't gum up.
No advantage in taking of the cat as it won't add to the HP one bit on LPG.
With dual fuel you have the advantage of greater range with a better fuel load...
mrtazwrench
Mudrat wrote35 MPG?!?!?!?! Whaddaya got a Ricer?? :shock:
mrtazwrench wrote i'm not sure on that either, but i think farmers around here are on a different program for it than home owners are. i'm thinking of doing it to my daily driver, it aready gets around 35mpg, wonder what it would do on propane. :-|
yea it's a ricer :oops: i was a toyota dealer tech for 3 years, guy came in with this old corolla, tras had loose diff, leaked gear oil, didn't want to fix, so i got it cheap, ran it like that for a year and found a used trans for $100, doubble the fuel mileage of the old 77 chev i had before it. i had a best mpg of 44 once, still don't beleve it though, put a header and a cai on it it's not fast but with the manual trans it has acceptable acelleration for a little 1.6 motor. the dual fuel thing may work better since it's an injected motor.
Mudrat
I may have to go that way too. With 60 miles a day and 14MPG in the truck around town, it's getting $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to feed the beast!!
Mudrat
mrtazwrench
yea that's why i don't drive the wag much.
bigun
yea I am seriously considering turning daily driver in to duel fuel my one way is 75 each day at about 12 mpg if you shop around you can get gas for $1.80 but I am seeing $1.95 around town :!: :!: :!:
OzJeeper
On the right track here - if you can't do anything about how thirsty the beast is, reduce the price of the drinks!
My full size uses 23litres per 100 kilometers which becomes expensive to run when petrol here has hit A$1.05 per/litre. LPG has moved up slightly to .39c per/litre but it's still within the budget.
60 miles is about 100 kilometers. Interesting to see what economy you get over that distance. Should be about 18 litres/100 kilometers which is not bad figures for a 360 - not at all.
If you convert to dual fuel you will save heaps over a year in fuel costs.
thigh19
I rebuilt my CJ from the ground up and decided to convert the Chev 229 v6 to propane. My cost was about $800 in used parts from a used forklift dealer, including tanks.
A Canadian friend of mine who ran propane up north told me that because my motor was an origional gas motor, fuel milage would go down a little and the top end of the HP range would drop. Not to worried about that cause I plan on rock crawling, my final drive being 80:1.
He also told me that if the motor would have been built for propane, both HP and MPG would increase?
Pretty easy swap, just need to figure out how to plumb my BBQ.
Mudrat
thigh19 wroteHe also told me that if the motor would have been built for propane, both HP and MPG would increase?
Pretty easy swap, just need to figure out how to plumb my BBQ.
If it was RE-built for propane, why would the milage go down?
Solution for the B-B-Q, shoot the squirrels that eat the regulator and hoses - and have them "over" for dinner :? (I'm on my third regulator 'cause they keep chewing on the diaphragm :t:
Mudrat
ironroad 32
hey mud i'd like tocheck out your propane setup ,i've been thinking about doing duel fuel ,but didn't have anyone local to talk to about it.
Mudrat
ironroad 32 wrotehey mud i'd like tocheck out your propane setup ,i've been thinking about doing duel fuel ,but didn't have anyone local to talk to about it.
Iron - I don't have one yet - except on my BBQ. I'm trying to gather info myself to see it it will work for me.
I think Thigh19 was whom you may be asking about...
Mudrat
ironroad 32
ohh..lol i misread your post..lol
bigun
I picked up used 100 gallon tank yesterday for $130.00 total as of right now in parts I have $260.00
Woody Long
Do you have a company name or website for he Canuck company?
Mudrat
I'm still kicking this dog, suggested a smal scale conversion to my dad (our emergency generators) and the Hendrix is bouncing mail :smile: Anyother suggestions?
THX
Mudrat
Mudrat
Well it took 3 weeks but got an answer ...
"All HENDRIX INDUSTRIAL GASTRUX conversion kits are completely assembled and include everything you will need to convert your vehicle to dual fuel,you will be able to switch from an alternate fuel to gasoline. These kits are designed and engineered to fit a specific vehicle. NOT A BOX OF PARTS.
$1465.00 to for a complete propane (LPG) conversion kit less tank. Tanks cost $500.00 to $700.00 depending on size and mounting location.
$2300.00 to for a complete compressed natural gas (CNG) conversion kit less tank. Tanks cost $1500.00 to $1800.00.
If your vehicle is not computer controlled subtract $200.00.
Domestic cars and trucks only.
Installation cost around $1500.00
If you live in Illinois the state will reimburse you 80% of the cost of the conversion up to $4000.00.
Thank you Todd Hendrix
847-526-1700"
x2see
FSJer
Actually there is a drop in power of about 10-15% when used in a duel fuel . Why ? Gas or petrol is a totally different fuel to LPG ( propane ) , when you get your car converted to LPG in duel fuel, your engine is set up for Gas/petrol and not LPG , you need a different ignition system ( Hotter spark ) and need to have your distributor recurved to suit , different plugs , camshaft , etc to gain maximum efficiency.
In actual fact if you ran 2 systems side by side - gas to LPG , you'd have a similar output & in some cases actually more HP than with Gas/peterol.LPG has an average octane rating of 110 , but less compressional force as gas/petrol. LPG is a bit like methanol , you can run a higher compression , more timing without the fear of pinging / pinking but you don't need as much fuel like methanol . LPG is a clean fuel and in most states in Australia you don't need the emissions system in your car. cleaner engine bay.
In Australia, LPG is very popular , there are different manufacturers here other than IMPCO , Gas research in victoria is an company that has their own kits , they are mainly based on the performance side , they have LPG mixers & carbys , tanks , solennoids, dual LPG carb kits for high peformance V8's , supercharged vehicles , etc, etc.
Actually my project FSJ i am building now will have Gas research twin carbys and mixers on it & be set up entirely for LPG.
Mudrat
FSJer wroteActually there is a drop in power of about 10-15% when used in a duel fuel . Why ? Gas or petrol is a totally different fuel to LPG ( propane ) , when you get your car converted to LPG in duel fuel, your engine is set up for Gas/petrol and not LPG , you need a different ignition system ( Hotter spark ) and need to have your distributor recurved to suit , different plugs , camshaft , etc to gain maximum efficiency.
In actual fact if you ran 2 systems side by side - gas to LPG , you'd have a similar output & in some cases actually more HP than with Gas/peterol.LPG has an average octane rating of 110 , but less compressional force as gas/petrol. LPG is a bit like methanol , you can run a higher compression , more timing without the fear of pinging / pinking but you don't need as much fuel like methanol . LPG is a clean fuel and in most states in Australia you don't need the emissions system in your car. cleaner engine bay.
In Australia, LPG is very popular , there are different manufacturers here other than IMPCO , Gas research in victoria is an company that has their own kits , they are mainly based on the performance side , they have LPG mixers & carbys , tanks , solennoids, dual LPG carb kits for high peformance V8's , supercharged vehicles , etc, etc.
Actually my project FSJ i am building now will have Gas research twin carbys and mixers on it & be set up entirely for LPG.
Thanks FSJer, We Americans are a bit behind in the alternative fuel area. But I've heard if we convert to propane we get a tax break and get to dump a lot of the emissions as well. I'm still looking at this option. But unlike Australia, we don't have many propane filling stations for vehicles yet.
Pat
FSJer
Nearly all cabs/ taxi's in Australia run LPG ,i think it is similar in the USA aswell ( have to check that ), also alot of high performance diesol 's nowadays run Propane ,well about 15-20 % , the rest 80-85 % diesol, you find alot with diesol trucks and the like , that when the diesol fuel is compressed inside the engine & Burnt and comes out the exhaust , not all all of the fuel is burn't , thats why you see alot smoke coming out of their pipes , LPG once injected inside the cylinder (compressed & burnt ) completes the burn process to a alot higher degree (also LPG is a really cold fuel) and produces more power , actually alot more efficient to run a LPG/Propane in your diesol.
Have to find that website with all the information where i learnt all this from>>>
